Somewhere in April 2000 Metacreations sold Bryce to Corel. The page you are referring to was on Metacreation's site and therefor doesn't excist anymore. As far as I know (but someone correct me if I'm wrong)Corel didn't take over the whole Bryce-talk-thing but maybe there's some information about this on corel's site. ---------------------------------------------------- But IMHO this is just one of the customer-unfriendly strategy Corel is currently creating for Bryce users: another example: you first have to purchase Corel's Bryce4 before you can upgrade it to Bryce 4.1 , ....or was this fixed?...can't remember,