Funny thing about that Steve ... It's been so long, but I believe I started out with a box from Infini-D (Saving as a 3DMF mesh -- this is where the facets start), and brought it into Poser, saved it as an obj from Poser, and viola, in UVM it ends up with facets. And I do remember runing into strange problems, that it would map corectly if I just did a plain box in Infini-D so I tried 6 flat panels, I think that's what finally worked ..remember I'm trying to get a 3DMF mesh to an OBJ file, lots of inconsistancys in them when it comes to primitives. Anyway It fianlly worked ;-) And intentionally, this way you can bend the box if nessasary. And easy enough to take back into another program and double or triple the facets for smoother bends. James PS: Just attach a magnet to it ;-)