I offer this from a1m1m25.... "In your defence, that doesn't look like beginner work, but it is a stereotypical look. We all have to go through various stages of stereotypical stuff before developing our own style." .........and you can see what he's producing now that he's gone through his stereotypical stage at his website http://www.ajcgi.co.uk/ ;o) Aaaaahhhhhh to be young and arrogant! rotfl