"Will someone please explain to them that Bryce too has been used in movies and the other programs used are usually hacked versions to meet the filmakers needs." Aldaron, I'm not sure I would bring up that point as a plus for Bryce. The first thing they will do is use what you said as further evidence that the other software is more expandable and integrates better into a "production environment". Yes, I remember hearing about Bryce being used in some movies, but typically as backdrop mats. It just renders too slow, compared to other solutions, to use for the primary visual FX. I can't recall what movies specifically used it though... I believe the last ones to do so were created a while back. Nontheless, that's definitely something DAZ should find out, and use it in their advertising campaigns. Hell, even if the movies done with it date back to the late 90's, that's still something worthwhile to use in marketing campaigns.