Yeah, the Athlon 64-3000+ is one I've loked at. I also considered an FX, but it's still a bit too pricey. I don't have any probems using the "older" XP-3200 either, as I think it's still a strong contender. Certainly a lot cheaper at this point as well. As for problems with the Vue and the P4, I was referring to the Precott when I said "present-day P4s". I suppose I should've been clearer on that. I plan to use the earlier Northwood chip on the next system. I'll be very curious to see how Vue runs on that core. One annoying aspect of the prescott is the fan noise. It's a loud fan that's needed to cool down that reactor. Personaly I don't recommend a Prescott to anyone who's considering a P4 system for this reason alone. Still, no doubt Vue has a serious problem with Prescott and/or the 875 chipset, as I will now add Maya to list of programs that I've tested on the Prescott that smoked the old Athlon. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it's a problem with Vue. Unfortunately I think E-ON's reply on this issue will be the typical "we'll fix it in the next version" routine that most software publishers use. Now,as long as that next version is given to us who complain for FREE, I won't have a problem with that. :-)