Interesting thread this one! Frankly....I've never had any major problems with DAZ products. Besides, I was able to get Bryce 5 for a pittance after DAZ purchased it! What's odd about my success with DAZ is that I have Poser 5! I use to have lots of problems with Poser 5.....bitched about it constantly. Then I learned how to use it....that helped a lot! The jury is still out on DS, but for a beta I'd say it's pretty darn good. I still like Vue the best though. Softriver: you'll love XP...Prefetch and all :)