The point is that there may be different rules in different parts of the workd, which easily leads to confusion. Understood. However, no local laws give anyone the right to distort the V3 mesh and sell or otherwise distribute it, nor do any local laws take away basic rights granted by the Berne Convention (such as the right of the copyright holder to control distribution, derivative use, etc. etc.). Not arguing with you, just clarifying, and not for your benefit but for others who may read this thread at some point now or in the future. ;-) But a shop can ban anyone they please as long as it's not anything based on blanket statemenst like race or sex. A bus company can also ban people, taxis can refuse to drive to certain parts of the city and so on. All in their good rights. And a website can ban anyone they please, and by various means. They can ban certain IP addresses, IP addresses within a wide range, specific usernames, whatever they wish. Nobody has the automatic right to participate in or view any website. You're there at the invitation of the site/server owner, and they have the right to withdraw their invitation. bonni

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