Arvanor opened this issue on Aug 18, 2004 ยท 18 posts
hauksdottir posted Thu, 19 August 2004 at 11:35 AM
I tagged it. The title said "I am hit", the subject is in the middle of a battle, and it looked like the laser/magical/electrical bolt was supposed to be going through the guy on the board (coming from the side of his chest and his arm is up stiffly), or possibly just grazing his back... but it looks like he has just been hit. I wouldn't expect blood from an electrical bolt. If the bolt had just hit the board (I notice some smoke from the propellor), there ought to be sparks (at a minimum). If it had hit the board a couple of seconds ago, rider and board would have parted company (there are no straps on his feet). So, the thumbnail says "I've been hit" and what I saw was a guy standing there with a bolt coming out of his side, and more bolts around, indicating an attack... and I tripped the flag. I apologize for misreading the image. The artist contacted another staffer, who tripped the flag back. These flags are really easy to correct if we get it wrong. If we wrote messages to every single person who doesn't set the nudity flag or the violence flag, it would take a week to cover just one day's worth (200 images, most of them nude, half of them untagged). It would be more courteous, and we used to if we had several untagged images by the same person. Sometimes we also untag something which doesn't need it. As for consistency, there are 2 factors in play. First is definition and second is... have we seen it yet. (It takes time to patrol the gallery.) Nudity is more consistent than violence, but if the piece is shadowed or obscured enough, it can sometimes not require the tag. The basic defination is: not wearing clothes. We all know what a nipple or penis looks like, but bare butts are also nude, as is revealing clothing. If the dress is so sheer as to show the nipples or the "armor" is a bikini made of teeny-tiny plates and the pubic hair shows... well, it is nude. If nudity shows in the thumbnail, but not the main image, it is nude. Yes, there are people who'll flash a breast in the thumbnail to get more hits. We are also supposed to tag it if the title says there is nudity. Violence is iffier. Vicky standing there in the temple with shiny sharp object isn't violent. If she is covered in blood? If we see the dead man or decapitated critter? What if they are bloody? What if they aren't dead yet? What if they are dead and dismembered? Body parts should be violent. What if the pieces are neatly stacked, like a chair made of bones? Or a chalice made from a skull? Well, if we don't know whose skull, it probably isn't violent. What if it isn't Vicky but a slobbering beast eating her head first? What if the beast is using a knife and fork? What if it is an animal with a spear in it? What if the animal is wearing clothes? Do aliens deserve a violence tag if they are the victims? What if the witch is dropping a frog in the stewpot... but that is really an enchanted prince named Basil? What if there is an attack with swords and axes and pointy sticks? A bloody mess usually equals violence. Guns and rifles being used usually equals violence. What if those are magical spellbolts? Laserbeams? Electrocution? No blood, but people are still dying. Poison? Aunt Agatha's Rhubarb Wine? Wrestling isn't violent... ask Lacoon and his sons. Is it violent if the man shoots himself or the woman slits her wrists? Well, yes. What if the vampire has just taken a nip? Neatly? With not a drop on his lace cravat? We don't have a complete list, possibly because humans are very creative when it comes to ways to hurt each other... and some images are more graphic than others. Basically, I apply an "ouch" factor. If somebody is getting stabbed, shot, clobbered, or zapped, it is going to hurt. How much is this going to hurt? Some members are also very averse to blood, so excessive blood will often be enough, even if it is all over the walls. I don't really have an ickiness or "cringe" factor, but if someone was getting smothered under alien snail glop and it looked like he was struggling, that would probably be considered violent. Giant spiders don't have many friends, either. I like spiders, but a certain movie-maker doesn't. And over all is the question: would this upset people to stumble over without warning? If more of the artists here would apply the flags when needed, we wouldn't have to make as many judgement calls. We might even have more time to write messages. However, if you do disagree, you can always contact us. Carolly Poser Coordinator