its a demo. that's my story and i'm stickin to it. but no, methinks he's referring to my most-recent render, as he stated. i'd just like to know how he thinks i stole something in that render. glad becco uk detailed the concept of modifying something into something else, with the destroyed mesh and all that. i'm starting to get confused between what a mesh and wire frame is. or the difference between. i thought a mesh was the collective polygons. at any rate... no one owns a copyright, patent or trademark on the human form. and, for those out there bashing me for being misinformed, i have read the library of congress' site on copyrights numerous times. i refer to it somewhat regularly as i'm primarily a writer and do not want to be accused of plagarism by anybody.