Yes! That is very good advice. Thanks stemardu! I am going to save his comments in a text file. Also proves my point that getting a spontanious natural smile would involve a lot more that just moving a couple of settings. One thing I would also try to set is the way the lower eyelids would go up when someone smiles. I also adjust the head at several angles like tilting the head to one side. I hope someone will come up with a expression pack for the Poser 5 people.