Well...in all honesty, i'm going to have to agree with Drac on this one. PJF, where the hell did you get that True Ambience was involved? Not once have i seen Pumeco give an answer that was even remotely "straightforward." The only thing I'VE seen from him is "You guys need this because i say you do and i don't think any of you can do good renders without it." And i still don't understand what the hell PRO-RENDER is. Nowhere has he made it clear EXACTLY what it consists of. materials, settings, whatever, he's never really explained himself. Throughout the whole thing i've seen posts by him, arrogant, and worded in a very VERY elementary manner. And this new thread doesn't stray from that path of stupidity one bit. There is no justifiable right for PJF to defend himself in public. In a situation like that, AgentSmith ABSOLUTELY did the right thing. If PJF wants to defend himself, he can do it in PRIVATE MESSAGING. There is no reason to leave an argument out in the open for the rest of the community to take part in. If there is a problem, the two of them can work it out in private, as it should be done. You, however, felt the need to come cause MORE problems. And you insult the entire community in the process. Well done, excellent display of ignorance. Maybe if you had marketed your little "PRO-RENDER" more intelligently none of these problems would have come up. I, for one, am glad that you are discontinuing the production of PRO-RENDER. If i'm to create a great render, it WON'T be because of your little package. If i'm to create a great render, it will be due to my hard work and talent to the art, not because i used someone elses techniques. The problem here, Pumeco, was that you came in and tried to disrupt the way we work our art. You tried to tell everyone that YOUR WAY WAS THE BEST. Don't be so ignorant. You show up in an ARTISTS community and immediately downgrade the way we work our medium, and expect a hero's welcome. So when did you say you were leaving? I'll help you pack.