I just want to say I never said: "Promises, promises it dont mean a thing." I did mention hype and teasing, though. :^) In the eighties, I read an advertisement in a magazine for Amiga computer users for a product that was in the works that sounded like something I would very much want to own. I'm sorry I can't recall the name of it or exactly what type of program it was, but as is said, "I've slept since then." The ad mentioned that if you prepaid, you could get the program for $30 (I can remember the money, LOL), if you waited until the general release it would be more than $100. Well, I sent in my money and waited. And waited. And waited. The program never appeared. The company that was developing it went broke. I never saw my $30 again. That was when I first learned the term "vaporware". I was skeptical of Pro-Render when it was first announced, because there was a lot about what it would be able to do, but nothing to see. And it was an unfinished product. Then there were a series of visual examples of what it would be able to do, most of which I found impressive. And Pumeco announced the basic Pro-Render would be FREE. A very nice gesture, I thought, and I wrote around that time in the thread that I felt we should all wait and see. I haven't changed my mind about that, Pumeco. I would still like to try out your Pro-Render. Really. I haven't read the threads at Daz you mention, but apparently they weren't very kind to you there. But most people here have been. Most of us haven't even posted anything about you or Pro-Render by my count. I would even say that most of the Bryce users at Renderosity rarely post anything in this Forum at all, judging by the number of names I see in the Gallery that I've never seen in the Forum. A lot of us are impatient. A lot of us are younger than you may think, some are actually under 16. Time passes slower when you're young, and accelerates with each passing year. At nearly 51 (August 27) my days last about an hour now, LOL. For your future reference, whether you plan to give up on us or not, I would recommend the following: If you have plans for developing any type of product, don't mention it publicly until you have it in a form that can be downloaded and used. Then people who are impatient won't be waiting, becoming irritable, beginning to wonder if they're being strung along, etc. I suspect that some of the worst invective aimed at you was more about disappointment on their part than hatred of you. I'm sorry that your feelings were hurt. That part was never necessary, really. As I said before, I hope you will not give up on us yet. And guys, ease up on Pumeco, show him what we're made of here, OK? Thanks, John

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy