======================= Mrdodobird, I may be wrong, but did you read the WHOLE thread? I find it strange that you point-out post 24, when in fact the problem lies in post 29. You either agree with this - or you don't, so please, yes or no? ======================== Yes, I read the whole thread. I just personally thought everyone should read post 24, since PJF i felt gave a fairly informative responce, covering most everything, actually QUOTING other messages, which always helps me. As for a "agree with this - or you don't" Umm... I'm with ya on some things, disagree on others. I think some people are just sounding mean (post 22. No offense, but you come across really...mean. I hope I didn't misenteurpret the message.) And I agree with you on many things, but on Renderosity being a clique, and AS shutting the thread on purpose, I have a tendency to disagree. Yes I did, but while you found As for post 22..... um.... That kinda sounded really mean. I don't get it. Sorry, but I don't. Hmmmm