i won't touch the pumeco subject since i said i won't in a previous post. as for the idea that we're banding together to make ourselves feel morally superior or something, i'm sorry, but i completely disagree. i don't think this forum has been going through any sort of collective bullying phase, at least not at the levels you're describing. it's an amalgamated response, perhaps surprising in its size, but not in its unity. Drac (and it's good to know that you're not leaving either)