"ately it seems the poser cummunity has gotten very greedy and wants everything for either free, or no money at all. Tell CL you want the next Poser free. Tell Adobe you want the next Photoshop free. Tell Newtek you want the next Lightwave free. See what the responses are there.... Then come back and revisit the Mimic 3 situation.." lets see Poser 4/PP - 3 patches Poser 5 - 4 service releases Adobe - patches for 6,7 trueSpace - double patch scheme - Patch + new features you pay for, just patches free (4,5,6) etc etc etc no one's being greedy. it is normal to release free patches for software bugs. so, Nuff Said.