Ah, lots of comments. Thanks for all the tips on where to find "gothy stuff" everybody. 8-) I have an image in my head of an angel and a demon that I want to create, so it just popped up last night for some reason while I was working on creating my insect girl for an animation project. I always tend to think up a hundred other things that I want to render, before I ever get done with what I'm working on presently. sigh SO, I just thought I'd ask if anyone knew where I should look for stuff like that. It would be interesting to learn just how the term 'Gothic' became the social label for all the kids that dress in black and paint their faces like the Crow. Although I hate stereotypes and labels, I was one of those kids when I was in high school. I even wore a cape to school! It was a nice cape too, made of that black silky soft cloth, but its not silk, with a red liner. And I had a good friend who bought all her clothes from the renaisance festival catalogs, save the occasional pair of blue jeans or white blouse. Everything down to the soft leather gauntlets she sometimes wore. I had lots of creative friends like that. sigh I miss those days.