sandmarine; I just get so confuzeded sometimes. I have been scolded at other sites for refering to other sites so I try not to and still try to help(thank goodness for RDNA, they just punch me in the mouth if I get outta line). MachineClaw; yes, I forgot Animotions also hosts the Awsome Laura project. Was gonna offer 3D-Arena but don't know if it's still up anymore... :? I think both Renderotica (see, I said it) and Animotions offers the project as a Full download and broken into about 4 or 5 smaller downloads to assist dial-up users.