I'd be so immensely happy if the anti-prude patrol managed to at least differentiate badly rendered cheesecake from genuine, talented art before they demanded that their coughcoughcough "art" be taken seriously. Most feeble renderings of nekkid vickies by the defenders of nudity fall in the former category I am afraid - it's sort of like " I have no talent, and here is a badly rendered nude to prove it" Of course, if you critique any said renderings, that's a ToS violation and will get your gallery trolled. The sites who knock rendo as a CG pr0n site, tend to be sites where they manage to depict women with clothes, and sexy as hell - please also note I am not knocking genuine, hardworking Poser-talent like Toxic Angel, ArchAngel Gabriel, Hiram, Beton, SkoolDaze, etc, but the buy, pose, click, render crowd. Nekkid Vickie inna Temple with a sword became a standard renderosity phrase in late 2001 or early 2002, can't remember; the phrase became popular with the pink pony debacle. Pink Pony debacle? I hear the newbie scream: The illustrious Doc Legume had a series of a pink p4 horse rendered in various, bright surroundings. The pony made friends, as did the pony's friends. Since the renderings were of the same quality as the already then generic naked vickie in a temple with a sword, a big, sitewide debate happened, and it ended with the good doc legume leaving - after he was nominated artist of the year, was about to win, and for a mysterious reason the nominations all of a sudden had a different process, and he lost. Also - it's usually the behemoths of outstanding artistic merit who call the anti-vickies for prudes. It must be that wide range of inspiration they have that makes dilettantes like me not "get" the nude vickie's various depictions. Jumpy - How's the max coming along ? ~S