Pumeco... The fact that you didn't render any of your non-ProRender examples with render effects that would be comparable to Pro-Render does indeed make be believe that you are very new to the CG community idea. If you're trying to market something like PRO-RENDER, show us how it's BETTER than the normal Bryce way of acheiving the same effects. Until you can do that without proving to me that you're feeding everyone some serious bullshit, i'm going to believe that you do, in fact, have a VERY limited knowledge of Bryce, how it works, and how the engine can be bent and stressed to create the effects (often much more succesfully than your demonstrations.) And I will continue to "derail accurate demonstrations" until your demonstrations are ACCURATE. Not one thing you've done actually shows the difference between your way of doing it, and the way we've all been doing it. You simply show the difference between your way, and a default bryce render without any of the appropriate effects activated. Grow up.