wow those are all such wonderfull works of art from all of you thanks for showing me your lovely works. I realized that about the rendering with everything i didnt think of that but i have heared somewhere out there that some poser users have some overly impressive systems lol. I think what I really would like to see is a dynamic clothing animation where the animator used all the options such as Choreographing, and the diffrent types of grouping liuke decorations and soft and rigid decorated. " Check out Neftis' Poser5 cat...I think it meets the specs you put forth and it's incredable!" what cat do you got a link? thank you all for trying to fill in my request ^_^ and you are all so much better then i am lol amazed Grace37