so long as I don't have to hack the cr2 I spend too much time in that house of horrors ;) And I wasn't aiming that specifically at you Bonnie, just in general :) Of course, if you want me to fix it, email or message me with the details of the problem/s and I'll see if I can fix it permenantly so you don't have to fuss with it. And no, Poser has never been an easy problem. Working around the probs was fine until a newer version came that won't let our workarounds work anymore :( Wish in one hand, spit in the other as my ole ma used to say :)