okay ppl if ya wanna have this made the longest thread, about the subject hot20 or whatever, then betta start typin' LOL starts whining i neva get in the hot20 ... gets tissues to wipe the tears guess i have to kiss some butts ROFL nah ... kiddin' maybe comment some more??? yeah thats it!!!! oh btw if ya wanna see my latest check the animation contest LOL the next one is gonna be in the 'animation outlet' which is gonna take a while, but it surely is a fractal, only too bluddy big for rendero standard upload oh well i am a busy lad, gotta make an 'atelier' [ better look up what it is in english ] LOL studio smile ... out of my house thats all for today :-)) been thinking though, with soo many fractal artists, is it not a better idea to make a HOT40 ? hehehe see ya around some time Harmen