I took a look at Tree Pro and it seems very good. A little pricey with the libraries. I do actually have DPIT which is a tree generator plugin for Cinema. It is very competent for a lot of things but lacks a good library. This is why Im trying out Carrara since it has enough presets that can be modified easely plus I "knowit from Bryce. I got in contact with a companion that I asked to export a palm out of Carrara as obj and 3ds. He had never done it before so he sort of used the default settings for export. He sent it to me and both formats open fine in Cinema, obj being much faster. The only thing is that single sided polygons (leafs)have reversed normals, not a big problem thou. Both formats had the correct selection tags exported as well Also the textures wasnt correct as it looks, but that could just very well be his inexperience. So in short it seems to work pretty well! Cheers Lennart