http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=3422340 3ds max is listed on the Autodesk website (nothing about games here :-D ) complete with feature list. But the how to buy (online) will send you to discreet. I cant imagine that I am mixing up Viz and Max, but I may be. I Max it is capable of a lot and is not a engineering/design program, but Ive always seen max associated with autodesk/autocad/engineering and the visualizing and presenting of designs. Maybe its just in my little world. :-)

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