I can't stand V3. I can't stand M3 even more. I refused to buy either of them simply for two reasons. One is that they are overly used. V3 is in most of the renders here at 'Rosity. M3 seems to show up in most of the ones that have a male character in them. My second reason is that I know of no 5'10" women. I simply don't know one. I also don't know a single woman that could immediately be hired as a supermodel. V3 fits that profile perfectly. I chose Stephanie and David from DAZ when I chose my models. I love both and they work well for me. They are more "average" in both size and beauty to me. I use P5 and personally don't mind some extra work to make the DAZ stuff work for me. After all, it would be way too easy if all I had to do was put the clothes on, choose a pose and throw a background in. Kristta