No, I haven't gotten any of the guides for Carrara or for that matter Bryce either . . . When I've got more disposables (A.K.A. Benjamins (or Dead Presidents)) I'll try to pick up a copy. As to the copyright thing; I think you're safe - Thanks! I'll try the minus key. In the meantime I've got to Part 2 of the tutorial. A lot of it appears to be unsaid, and the author seems to rely on your ability to follow his illustrations which is good in a way, as it makes one think about what one is doing - fortunately every step is illustrated. Anyrate it's taking shape (right now it looks like an angry gorilla.) I know litst made a tut that covers the subject too and in Carrara; I'm gonna try to muddle through this one before I go back and look at it though. In that way I'll have appropriate questions to solve. Hopefully I'll be able to maintain the right state of mind to get through this - then with some luck do other body parts. - TJ