Yup, something HAS to be transparent to have any refraction. And, Bryce cannot have it's mirrors reflect light off itself. (I realize some of you would argue with me until doomsday about that, but lets just assume we are NOT faking radiosity with TA and a 256 RPP render) ;o) Why most of the non-transparent Bryce prestes come with the refraction set, is beyond me, and it is one of my pet peeves about Bryce presets, as it instantly confuses people. I swear I will make this change in Bryce 5.5, 6.0, lol. Anyway...as most have said; Have your reflection and diffusion add up to 100 (50-50, 75-25, etc) Add a small, fine bump to your reflective legs. That should do it. Beacuse a straight mirror material will reflect the floor nearly perfectly, and will cause the effect you are seeing. (given the right camera angle) AgentSmith

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