dont know about u guys but i dont see c4 pro and vue5 esprit or pro as real competitors, i see them more as perfect companions. its clear that c4 pro will feature lots of things vue 5 wont, but on the other hand vue5 esprit and especialy pro will have alot of stuff that c4 pro isnt even close to, might be me underestimating the improvements eovia has done to the tree and terrain editor and atmosphere but i doubt it. as far as i can see the c4 pro bundle and vue 5 esprit or pro would make for one impressive combo