maxxxmodelz, You think this one's bad. You should have heard the conversation I had with Michio Kaku when we were kids at the coy pond in the Japanese Tea Garden in Golden Gate Park while our respective parents were having "tea". I remember asking whether I could call him Michael and he said "My name is Michio!" He seemed unduly concerned about the coy and how they saw the world for some reason . . . I told him a trick about how to hypnotise the fish so they could be caught and when he denied that he was trying to catch the fish but rather that he thought they saw the world 2 dimensionally that led to a theroretical conversation that was way above my nine year old head . . . I suspect he was a little older; he bacame the physicist he said he wanted to be although I never did become an archeologist. . . . Kemel, I tried the gold thing before my last post and the only thing I noticed was the changes one would expect with sky movement . . . hmmm . . .I'll try again tommorrow, see if I can stop the sun and clouds for sure and see what I get. You might be on to something - If so I suspect bump mapping might be involved but we'll see. - TJ