well shade 7 is another app that is affordable and powerful. i would say its alot less diverse then c4 pro, but when it comes to what it does (modelling/rendering) more powerful, so shade 7 would for some be a perfect vue5 companion and of course theres no doubt it will work perfectly together with poser. but yeah ive too been looking @ shade 7 for quite some time, part from upgrading to vue 5 im looking @ both shade7 and c4pro, havent made up my mind yet tho on which of the apps ill get together with vue5, and ill take my time, going to try both apps before making a decision.