Hmm so you think bryce isn't that great? I know i'm eventually going to have to graduate from bryce. It's that old anchor around my waist. Don't get me wrong, I love bryce. But I'm wondering what else is out there. I've got some spare money and sometime this school year might buy an educationally reduced copy of one of the top pieces of software.. probably not because i won't have as much time to learn it.. but still. Anyway, I guess I was mislead with 3dsmax, what do you mean by its plugins? As in max has a ton of plugins that are useful but cost money, and alone it's not really that grand? Maybe I'll look into lightwave or maya or xsi.. no idea. Still sticking with bryce for now though.