"I fail to see the point of ever coming back in here." Did you see the cool F16 model that dutchman is sharing, the David youth morph that usslopez is sharing, the recent tutorials by geep, SAMS3D's computer and desk models, or any number of threads in which forum members help each other out with issues both basic and advanced? What about Little Dragon's previews of Furette 2? That sort of thing is great! In spite of the excess of negativity here, which I agree about, there's a lot more enthusiasm, help, and fun here than there is negativity and "whining." Those labels don't really hold, anyway. Some of the people who were involved in the moved thread have a lot to offer, they're good people. This incident of Curious Labs being policed out of the Poser Forum was unfortunate IMO, but if you recognize the positive things about the forum and site, they do tend to outweigh the drawbacks by a long shot. "Enjoy your glorified lookup table." I don't understand how someone can protest the nastiness and then say that in the same post. ;-)