Student Price is very low I will grant you that. However, student versions cannot be used for commercial purposes legally. I can understand not liking the Shade interface, or not having the program suit your needs, I don't think that's a basis for degrading it's marketplace though. I own Lightwave and bought Shade Standard, in 2 days of playin with Shade and the PoserFusion importer I've done more than I have owning Lightwave in a year. Phino and Flamingo are good products, they are just different. Artists have to find the tools that work for them and their workflow. While prices are coming down and becoming more and more available to more and more people there are many choices. Try everything on the market before making an investment. Shade clicked with me like LIghtwave didn't, doesn't mean I will abandon Lightwave, but the poser importer and price shure make it more interesting for my money. $300 for Educational Rhino or even $149 for Shade 7 Standard may seem like a drop in the bucket for artist tools, but it's an investment. Similarly investing in a poser figure and the clothing, abandoning that is a huge amount of money, and decisions on what to buy and what meets the need of the artist needs to be taken into account. I'm sorry you do not like Shade it's very useful in combination with poser, but there are other alternatives, I hope you find what works for you. norm - yeah that as a plugin would be very cool, dunno if that is gunna happen though guess we wait n see.