Render took about 8 minutes without radiosity and about 50 min with radiosity. That is on a 6 year old Pentium II 400 Mhz The difference between the two images was very little with most of it around the legs close to the ground. You can usually get nice results without radiosity with a shadowless light from below at 30% intensity. ynsaen: You can set POV-Ray lights and camera in PoseRay also. FlyerX