Thanks all...for your advice. The manual is fine Xantor if you have worked with Poser 4 in the past but it uses too many jargony words and not enough screen caps for my liking. I like to think learning is visual more than theoretical and text based. Someone should tell Curious Labs. Just one thing though...i had a play with Judy and her eyes. She renders okay and the eyes came up very nice for my liking . But once click or move of her head and she gets instant mesh goggles. Any idea of how to prevent these.