Now I'm with you. The lovely shiny eyes from the anisotropic shader effect are still there only symbolised by the mesh goggles. Once we decide not to tinker anymore finally render - it all works itself out then. Great. Or as Bart simpson would have said if he'd explained it so many times till it sank in "Duh!" Every day you learn something new on this site. this is great. Thanks Ernyoka1. Gotta find that P4 manual too.