a i need a work around. In the pic i made here i seperated the charriot by autogroup smartprop. i need it to look good from these three cam angles. so i wonder if theres another way to do this by maybe parenting the horses to a smartprop of the charriot such ass 1. harness 2. leather or 3. the T bar ? I not to familer with the point at parameter option actually i dont think i ever used it. i know i should read the pdf but if you have a simple Definition i be very apprecitive of a short desciption In my animation the cam"s will br focused on the charriot and galdiator that way all my back ground and secondary mini scenes within my big scene will be low poly or multiple avi square"s not sure yet but i have all secondary animation scene done like to thank you ockham you been extreamly helpful for many of my questions And i think i can speak for the community and say we are fortunate to have you in this commuity thanks for the help