Oh, one other thought on the matter of Spamcop. This is a quote from their own forums: SpamCop does not, nor can it, stop e-mail when an IP address goes on its blocklist. Only an admin of the mail service can do that (and SpamCop advises against it!) Once again, the problem is not with Spamcop's service (which is responsible for reporting millions upon millions of legitimate spam messages to their originating source IP administrator). The problem is that irresponsible or unaware system administrators, in their attempt to keep spam out of their system, implement the filters with no checks and balances, with no means of their users "opting out", without fully understanding what they're doing, etc. Quite frankly, irresponsible or incompetent system administrators are very, very high on my list of peeves in life. They make like difficult for everyone, from allowing spammers to use their machines to send the junk to begin with (through carelessness or ignorance) to implementing aggressive filters that allow no leeway or discretion on the part of the human beings who are supposed to be receiving the mail. Spamcop is a valuable tool in the battle against spam, and the spammers know it and hate them for it (they had to put their system behind a very secure series of firewalls because of the continual bombardment by spammers trying to shut the system down). They do produce a list of active spammers and it can be extremely frustrating, but in this case, I think it's another case of spammers making life difficult for everyone. Spammers are the absolute scum of the internet, as far as I'm concerned, and I've been on the net for more than ten years, I've worked at an ISP, and I run my own full-time server, so I've seen a lot of scum out there... ;-) bonni

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