do you mean to say we have to vote for something we don't think deserves voting for? I don't think you understand what is going on... Some of us want to encourage artist to improve but why would they if they believe they are already so successful with having 3 or more pictures in the so called honor section..only there because they are very nice sweet people and make nice fractals and make it a full time job to put a 'V' at every image posted..but THEY are not improving because they think they got to the top...they don't even have time to experiment or explore the possibilities of the many programs available to learn about them... Maybe more people are learning that the HOT 20th is a joke...If it means business for Renderosity,, stay with it .. you are doing your job... Henny