Varian have been taking notes very carefully.....especially with the tips. Have built up a nice sized folder of them...cos I am printing them out too. In all seriousness....I really am having problems getting all zygote models into poser. I execute the exe and it (by default) wants to install in metacreations/poser4....nothing else. Allow it to do so...amazingly lots of new folders....but all empty. deep sigh I will NEVER work poser out. As a follow up on your post, and following your advice...... Ohhhhh Marrrrrryyyy LOL nag nag nag nag pleassssssssssee finish your tutorial?! Tongue hanging out , panting and drooling (NOT A PRETTY SIGHT EITHER), dribbling in anticipation. Help meeeeee ;-) Can't Sleep...MUST HAVE MARYCANARY's TUTORIAL, CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT IT NOW....MUST HAVE..lol How was that? or would you prefer......pleaseeeee, pretty please with sugar on top? huh? and strawberries and cream too? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee? ;-) Thanks Mary Varian CYM on your site