The inherint(is that right) problem is that they if I use this solutions then all the objects end up in a straight line. I know I could do this with RDS and might have to reload it I would think there would be a way to do it with Cararra. I know that with RDS there is sea anenome tutorial which I would also like to see if it could be done in Carrara. I guess I'll just have crack open the manuel when I get home.