"Its really too bad Metacreations disappeared and didnt have the chance to really combine what it had... " Yes it is. I've only just now got, with carrara, poser and vue, what we should've had years ago with poser, ray dream, and bryce.... It doesn't particularly bother me that I have to go back and forth between programs, I keep them open together, so it's like switching back and forth between the "rooms". I was in the same boat though, before I bought poser. I thought to myself, why can't they just give me plug-ins so that I could use bones and morph targets.... Then poser 3 came out, and it had the ability to import poser figures into ray dream, sort of like what transposer does, and I bought it, hoping for better somewhere down the upgrade highway. If they would've gone that way, then you'd have what you want. The plug-in for Ray Dream let you go into a new "room" where you could manipulate the poser figure, just like in poser, but you still had to buy poser to get it... Of course, even poser5 is not the end all be all of character animation software. Back in poser 3, you had to create a skeletal rig in a text editor, like notepad. With poser 5, you can do it in a few clicks, but there are new tricks, like JCM (Joint-Controlled Morphs,e.g. you bend the elbow, the bicep flexes automatically) or "easy pose" which I think lets you assign a pose to a morph channel, both of which still have to be done in notepad. Although there might now be utility apps or python scripts that aren't to expensive, that will automate these functions....