OK... I"ve read it all... and I wasn't going to comment, but to hear Tracey (Mutedbanshee) apologize... and to understand that she feels its her fault, is just too much! Tracey, you have NO REASON to apologize. You did nothing wrong. Your contest inspired me, and hundreds of others (408 if I remember right)... to create some amazing artwork that otherwise would not have happened. I said it before, I'll say it again... "Thanks for your contest - it was fabulous"... it was a gift, and nobody can take that away. The TOS is, as Jenyk stated, a general guideline. Because there are so many possible situations, it would be impossible and impractical to define them all. So the basic rule is: "Maintain the status quo" Anything that has been accepted for years.... by definition, is acceptable. The plea of not knowing may be true for Jenyk, but its obvious that other admins had full knowledge, and had even commented in the forums. Jenyk made some big mistakes... she knows it. She's apologized, and I personally think she is sincere. If you happened to miss it... this is what she said: Yes, I'm sorry; There was one contest I had said I would give time to notify people and then removed images (I started getting the contests mixed up, as to which I was removing). The decission to remove was based on consistancy for not having anyone see contest in the galleries. Your right! I should have spent the rest of week informing everyone that this is against the terms and gave them a chance to rectify it. I do sincerely apologize for jumping the gun. It is with all honesty that I had no intent for it to a big issue, and I hadn't considered that members don't keep copies of images and didn't think about the comments. I will not remove any of the images still in the gallery for contest (there are still some). I accept her apology, I think and hope that its sincere. Current and future contests will continue, I'm sure. I see changes already happening.. I'm positive that issue will resolve itself. People who lost images, and had no other copies... well, I'm sorry for you, and I feel your pain, but that's really your own fault. The real loss... as far as I'm concerned, is the loss of the comments. I value every one I receive... and I've met some wonderful friends, basically because of the comments. I especially feel for people like Prog... Dudley, your last contest image was awesome... I saw it first in the Poser Top 20, first place, with 79 votes and hundreds of comments. I know what that means to you, and I feel your loss! Put it back up my friend, I'll give you another vote. I like this site a lot. For free, I get a place to post my images, the biggest free stuff collection, great forums and tutorials... and best of all, YOU, my fellow artists and friends. I'm sure theres room for improvement.. there always is. Jenyk made a mistake, a big one. I don't think even now that she's aware of the impact what she did has made. But everyone makes mistakes. We'll get over this. And Tracey, I will never accept an apology from you. You're one of my hero's - you can do no wrong. Kent