Totally got to agree with BGFT, sick of the whining about "vue doesn't do this, doesn't do that" if you don't like Vue, why are you still using it??? find something else, me, I love my Vue, I've been with it from Vue 3 on and probably will continue as long as it continues to be a very affordable and easy to use software that (at least for me) produces amazing results that I'm happy with and frankly sometimes can't be acheived without a lot of work in other software packages. For example, I had a co-worker of mine who uses 3d studio max to model cars look at my Vue renders and said "wow, I had no idea you could do that with Vue, is that an alpha sky? What?? it's not, it's from the Vue Program?!?" Look at Vue for what it is, a $200 app (for the Esprit version) that generates landscapes and natural environments. The biggest thing I can say when working with Vue is "Think outside the box" take it's features and take them where the programmers never intended them to go, build vegetation using terrains, use terrains to generate water and buildings. If it doesn't work on your system, sorry but sometimes that's just the way it is, live with it. I play (or try anyway) plenty of games that crash so often I just pull the plug right there, I don't go over to all the game forums for that game and trash how the game won't run. What's the point?? Does it solve the problem? NO, does it make you feel better that you can trash a piece of software that runs great for a lot of other people but doesn't run well on yours or doesn't spin straw from gold?? Why are you wasting more time on the software that doesn't work when you could simply chalk it up to life and move on, there are plenty of other alternatives as far as 3d packages go. If you aren't happy because Vue doesn't have every feature ever made then go buy Lightwave for $1,500 or 3d Studio for $3,000! Leave Vue alone, I've never had any problems with any of the versions that I can't work around or that E-on hasn't fixed in an update. That's just the way software is, any software!