OK for those that are curious and because I see the thread is still running....just a few little things I wanna say.... 1) Mistakes are made everyday...a person who can fix a mistake and apologize this publicly is most DEFINITLY forgiven in my book :O) 2) As for whether Rendo "knew" contests were going on etc...I believe it was known but you know sometimes we all let things slide until something arises...complaints or what not that make it so you can't "let it slide" anymore...and then the only thing you can do is change it for everyone...not that this was the best way...but definitly we all got the point LOL...no more contests in the gallery LOL :O) And why not just say well we saw but let it go...well because that too would start a whole other fight about why now and where was the problem etc...it's a business tactic used all over the place...just like parents use it with kids at times...you let your children do something for whatever reason that they shouldn't do and let it "slide" occasionally but if something arises you put your foot down...if the kid asks...well you let me do it yesterday you don't say oh I let it slide cuz that is grounds to get walked all over...you say well if I would have seen it I wouldn't have...classic LOL...not an excuse...merely an explanation :O) 3) I know there were people worried about what running the contests from the contest gallery would be like and are a bit reserved so I wanted to set your minds at ease...I have asked about 20 questions while getting H&H up and running so I am going to give you answers to things you may wonder...and want to add that both Shoshanna and hauksdottir are wonderful and helpful and VERY easy to work with...so for sure not worries there...not to mention funny :O) OK...contest held there are done however you want them... Nudity can be allowed or not (up to the runners discretion).... People can post the images in the gallery AFTER there approval to the contest and comments can be enabled or disabled (also this is up to the contest runners) Judging can be done in any manner the contest runners choose...by voting or a panel of judges etc...and judges are chosen by the contest runners...not Rendo mods or admin.... Every single element of our H&H contest has been created by prog...mutedbanshee...and myself...we made all the decisions....they helped with advice when needed and input and posted the contest. The approval process of the images themselves are also handled by the contest runners not rendo (unless of course there is a TOS violation) obviously we can't over ride the TOS. I hope this answers those questions and you all will continue to put on these fun...inspiring...and AMAZING contests :O) I always love them even if I don't enter I love seeing all the creativity and would hate to see them go :O) To Armour....I understand your upset because of "your site members" but as far as I know everything has been fixed and even the "warnings" were being removed...so all that needs to change is titles on images so future members will not be confused as to the proper place to run a contest. I think JenyK has gotten enough anger over this...and has publicly apologized in more than 1 thread...so I say leave this be now...it is over...we all expressed our upset and a huge company responded...maybe not as fast as we wanted but they did...and that says alot for our value :O) Also the way everyone pulled together to create change in this was just well INCREDIBLE and personally I am proud to be a member where so many were proactive and actually cared about what was happening even if it wasn't to them :O) HUGS ALL.... :O) ann :O)