HI! So, that scene file, the sky settings and mat were about 99% PRO-RENDER? I'm about ready to post the damn things. I'm finding myself offended by someone's condecending attitude. Good grief give the settings to Ornlu, with his know how and renderfarm, he could be an expert in 24 hours and have the manual ready by monday. I played with it for a while, still playing, but it takes to long to see any difference when I change a setting. Saw his 'updated' site the other day, kinda curious as to whats going on with the new musical technology he's discovered. I'm done. I'm not done, No we can't stop cluttering up the newsgroup, thats why they're here, to allow the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions. (As long as they don't violate the TOS or imply a contest or some other stuff.) Now I'm done.