I was quoting elctroglyph when I said newsgroups. I'm tired of not knowing how it's done. I have the settings to get close enough to PRO-RENDER, I just can't figure out how to change them for less ambience, reflectivity and such. I'm interested in FLESH-BASE or whatever he calls it, I think I have the right idea, but I don't have the time or knowledge to get the settings just right. I lied when I said I'm done. Better watch out AS was gone for a few days, now he's checking posts for syntax. xenic101 checks the TOS for a syntax violation clause