thanx flak, exactly what I meant. I personally could care less about open gl. But the render speed-up is something bryce has needed for a long time. And for those worrying out there..its only code optimization, not a new renderer. So it should be the exact same pict as your used to, only faster. I dont envy daz their challenge here. Dan Farr posted a nice reply about all this at the daz forum. Basically saying, they hear you and they will try to find some kind of solution. I know if I'd spent the cash they have, have to fix the program while paying programmers...I'd want my investment to come back soon. Add it up...even at conservative dollars, itd easily hit 1.5 mil. A business must make money. The only ones that dont are Government based. I'd ask that noone be hung by their thumbs until all is said and done. Bryce lives...and for now, that's good enough for me. Give DAZ the chance you'd ask for if you were in their shoes. :) BT