By "symmetrical pointers" I assume you mean being able to push, pull or move vertices on one half of a symmetrical model and see the changes on the other half. Amapi Designer 7 does this and you can even push and pull on the original cage of a smoothed mesh and see the smoothed effects on the other half. Since Amapi D7 is included with C4, then they did sort of take your suggestion. If this is not what you are referring to then please elaborate on what "symmetrical pointers" are. Amapi Designer 7 is like the vertex and spline modeler together and on steroids, much better way to model than Carrara. Patrick Tuten