bandolin, maybe i did sound a bit wrong in what i was saying. I would like to learn how to do things in Bryce then i will start to use poser at a later date. I have two 3d modeling programs on my computer and to be totally honest with you i get completely lost when i open either of them. so for now i'll stay with learning Bryce then maybe one of them or poser in the future. Like the saying goes, you have to crawl before you can start to walk :)